Indian Motorcycle Serial Numbers

Engine Number Series and Year Decoding

J	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I
0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9

Frame
Arrow	1xx
Scout/Warrior/TT	2xx
Chief	3xx

1950-1953
Midstream the 1950 Chief serial numbers changed from CEJ to just C on BOTH engines and frames, upsetting the rules as shown in the 1932-1950 table below. Early 50's Chiefs were CEJ, late '50 and' 51 Chiefs were just 'C', and all '52 and '53 Chiefs were 'CS' . When this change happened all vertical twins also had frame numbers matching the engine exactly too. Examples :
Eng# BEJ911, Frame # 250911 is 1950 Warrior.
Eng# B1003, Frame # B1003 is 1951 Warrior.

	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I
0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9

Frame
Jr. Scout	5xx
Std Scout, & VT	2xx
Sport Scout, MP	6xx
101 Scout	101
741 (mil)	741
841 (mil)	841
Chief	3xx
Indian 4	4xx

MP=Motoplane (in Jr.Scout frame)
VT=Vertical Twins excl Arrow.

1932-1950
Frame Numbers introduced late 1930 early 1931 See note 9.
Example:we have an unknown motor (or cycle) that's stamped CDF 6403 and a spare frame stamped 441 1089 <work in reverse, i.e. numerals to letters using table or your fingers!>

1st letter is C, this is the series, all Chiefs are 3, Fours are 4 etc (see table left)
2nd letter D is the decade year 4 and the
3rd letter F is the digit year 6

Answers:
Motor is 1946 Chief, Serial# 6403 (6303rd* made!)
Frame is 194 1 Four, Serial# 1089, (989th* made!) *as first machine started at xxx101

In order for a cycle to have 'matching numbers', the frame number must match the engine number and the first three numeric digits of the frame number equal the decoded motor number. i.e. for our example, the frame would have to read 346 6403. see Frame Numbers.

	A	B	C	D	E	F
Yr	'26	'27	'28	'29	'30	'31

Engine
Prince 21ci	L
Scout 37ci	G
Scout 45ci	GP
Chief 61ci	Z
Big Chief 74ci	H
Four 1926/7	E
Four 1928-1931	A

1926-1931
Indian lost the plot for a few years between 1925 and 1933 with their numbering, possibly exacerbated by the 101 series 'no new model years', the Ace acquisition and how to incorporate frame numbers in 1930/31 which I will ignore in this scenario.

Examples:
AH1088 is a 1926 Big Chief, 74ci, serial 1088
(similarly, AZ1088 would be 1926 61ci)
BGP1055 is a 1927 Scout, 45ci, serial 1055
(similarly, BG1055 would be 1927 Scout 37ci)
EA779 is a 1930 Four, serial 779
(similarly, BL779 would be 1926 Prince)

Model/hp(Hendee/Indian)
1= 2 hp single
2 = 5hp twin or 2 hp single
3 = 4hp twin or 2 hp twin,
or 21ci Prince single
4 = 4hp single or 30.5ci Pplus
5 = 7hp twin or Scout 37"
7 7hp twin or 61ci PowerPlus
8 = 8hp twin or Chief 61ci
9 = Chief 74ci = or 72ci Powerplus

Years Example
A=1909
B=1910
C=1911
D=1912
E=1913 Ex.3
F=1914
G=1915
H=1916
J=1917
K=1918
M=1919 Ex.2
R=1920
S=1921
T=1922
V=1923
X=1924 Ex.1
Y=1925

(I, L, N-Q, U & W not used.)
also see note 12 for ?Pxxx models (where ?=R,S,T or V)

1909-1925 hang on it gets a little tougher now!.
Its a little like an odometer that clocks over in units, tens, hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands. You may find it easier to pay attention to the year first, then look at table and determine the models for that year, see Example 2.

Example 1 - 51X107
Take the engine number 51X107 which breaks down to:
5 is Scout 37", (because of X) then because the second number is not zero (as it would be if serial < 1000) we add it ( 1000) to the serial 107 making it 1,107,
The X is the year 1924. So it is a 1924 Scout with a engine serial of 1107...
eg. a serial of 54X155 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 4,155.
similarly, a serial of 67X157 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 17,157.

Example 2 - 72M911
Take the engine number 72M911 which breaks down to:
'72 equals 7 &2 and think of this as 2000 (thousandths digit)
The M is the year 1919. The 7 is a 61ci Powerplus (because of the M) and the remaining 2000 is the thousandths unit of the engine number whereby adding it to 911 gives us 2,911.
So it is a 1919 Indian Powerplus with a engine serial of 2911...
similarly, a serial of 81M177 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 11177.

Example 3 - 86E630 <please see note 8>
Take the engine number 8 6E630 which breaks down to:
86 equals 7 &10+6, think of this as 10000 (ten thousandths digit, i.e 70xxx-80xxx), then add this PLUS the 6000 (thousandths) to the 630 it gives us16,630.
The E is the year 1913. The 7 is a 7hp Hendee twin. So it is a 1913 7hp Twin with a engine serial of 16630...
similarly, a serial of 70E433 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 433.

1902 101-243
1903 244-620
1904 621-1167
1905 1168-2349
1906 2350-4048

1902-1908
There was no commercial sales in 1901 but numbering began 1902 starting at #101 and remaining in sequence to #4048 until 1906. This gives us an insight into production numbers. From this point till 1909 as the database illustrates, its anyone's guess what someone was dreaming up!

Engine number suffixes
"A letter may be stamped after the engine number (but off to right of boss itself, i.e. on crankcase): these letters are:-
A is for aluminum pistons which were optional over std cast iron pistons in scout 45"in 1928 see note 5
B is for Battery ignition (distributor). (post 1933, see below note) ...BUT
   - B was used (briefly) to denote blackout lighting fitted by the factory on mil. cycles during WWII. see note 6
   - B also designated aluminum piston and/or special clearances for performance and/or sustained speeds on pre '28".
   - B also designated aluminum piston, chief carb (DLX81?), chief valve springs and chief inlet nipples/manifold used on special factory 101 Scouts.
BM is for Bonneville Motor.
BY is for Battery (Distributor) ignition on 'Y' motors, i.e.. Y manifolds, trench heads (Ricardo) etc - mostly mid 30's models.
M is for Magneto ignition.
MY is for Magneto ignition on 'Y' motors, - rare, mostly mid thirties models.

Frame number locations (also see note 9)
'31 and up rigid frames are on a boss just below the left ear axle slot,
'40 spring frames are on the left rear shock casting above the axle slot,
'41 through '51 are on the lower left shock mounting ring,
'52 through '53 are on the front face of the right front footboard casting mount.
'49-'52 VT's (Vertical Twins), i.e Scouts, Warriors/ TT's and Arrows, have the frame serial on the front forks.
'34-'42 DT's (Dispatch Tows), i.e 3 wheel Sports Scouts have the frame # under the seat on the frame casting.

Matching Numbers
The practice of re-stamping frames to match engines to make a 'matching number machine ' an vice versa often results in the frame number being exactly the same as the engine number, eg CDF 4321 and CDF 4321. In actual fact the frame would have been stamped, in this case, 346 4321. This is often the single most giveaway as Indian did not match serials on chiefs till mid 1950, watch out for this on ebay!

Production Numbers
Much of this data has been gleamed from Jerry Hatfield.
sc=sidecars, nr=no records?, co=chiefs only, ap=approximate

Year Qty Note Year Qty Note Year Qty Note

1901 3 1919 21,500 1937 6,037

1902 143 1920 ? nr 1938 3,650

1903 376 1921 ? nr 1939 3,012

1904 596 1922 ? nr 1940 10,431

1905 1,181 1923 ? nr 1941 8,739

1906 1,698 1924 ? nr 1942 16,647

1907 2,176 1925 ? nr 1943 16,456

1908 3,257 1926 ? nr 1944 17,006

1909 4,771 1927 ? nr 1945 2,070

1910 6,137 1928 ? nr 1946 3,621

1911 9,763 1929 ? nr 1947 11,849

1912 19,500 1930 ? nr 1948-49 9,000 ap

1913 32,000 1931 4,557 1949 ? nr

1914 25,000 1932 2,360 1950 2000+ co,ap

1915 21,000 sc=3,200 1933 1,667 1951 500+ co,ap

1916 22,000 sc=3,700 1934 2,809 1952 500+ co,ap

1917 20,500 1935 3,703 1953 2000+ co,ap

1918 22,000 sc=13,300 1936 5,028

Extended Notes and Contributions.

1. Introduction. This database is by no means perfect, but as close as we can collectively get it to-date, if you have something to contribute, or query my info Contact Us as this is a collaborative effort. Consternation lies mainly between the dates of March 15th, 1928 and 1st November 1st, 1931, the latter being when frame numbers were introduced and numbering and model numbers were somewhat rationalized.

2. Several of the serials & dates have been assumed or generalized based on rationalizing conflicting info from each source all of which have differed. Remember model years differ from production years, many new models were offered in the last qtr of the prev year
All dates are of the MM/DD/YY format.

3. Four valve specials and factory racer motors were not identified and/or recorded.

4. The 1915 parts book also uses letter designation of models;
B is a twin (50 series) with smaller or lighter engine with few parts interchangeable with other twins models C & D,
E model is the single cyl 40G series

5. Cast iron pistons std on Scout 45 unless motor bears the letter 'A', which uses aluminum pistons, this is from: CGP444 on, i.e. CGP445 A. see eng# suffixes

6. All Export 741's GDA101 & up were supplied with blackout lighting as standard.
1940 640B's #'s FD01015-FDO1515 and FD02310-FD02636 were also factory fitted with optional kits offered for others.

7. The highest 'CG' number recorded for '28 short frame (std) scouts by the 101 Association is:
CG2384, the highest 45" 'CGP" number is CGP1761, deducting 100 from each should give known numbers produced before the change over to 101.

8. All 09 thru 12 were rigid frames and all 13 were leaf spring front and swing arm rear. In 1914 and subsequent there were also rigid frame models.
70E1005 would be the same Model 7 (61 CID Twin) with a SN of 1005.
80E0450 would be the same engine/model with a SN of 10450 (7+1, i.e 1 in front of serial number).

9. A 1930 101 (EG901) has been found with a frame number of SI322. Originally SI344 was recorded as the starting frame number as first used in '31. This proves frame numbers started late '30 not '31. (EG901 is just 24 units serials off a '31 101). We would like to know about any lower frame numbers than SI322 please, until then we will use SI322 a starting reference.

10. The 28 Ace had been listed with serials starting as CA210 up, a reader has said "I was lucky enough last year to find a 100% complete 1928 Indian ACE in Sweden with all the delivery dockets and service history for the first few years, its serial number is CA196"

11. While not Indian (yet!) 1920-1926 Ace Motorcycle serial numbers are included here to give some insight into the numbering before Indian acquired Ace from Michigan
1920 A1000-
1921 A1xxx-?
1922 B3000-
1923 B3xxx-?
1924 D8000-,
1925 no production? or no info? -
1926 E1000-, (poss just E1100 up?)

12. Starting 1920 the 61ci PowerPlus (N and NE) was offered in a larger 72ci capacity named the NP and NEP (electrics) models. These 1178cc models had engine numbers starting with the following:
1920 ="RPxxx",
1921="SPxxx",
1922="TPxxx"
1923 ="VPxxx".
These were invariably big valve models, but there was 61" big valve models also that had an enlarged (chief size) exhaust valve. In 1923 Indian renamed the PowerPlus to Standard in order to dispel the myth that the PowerPlus had more power than the Chief.

13. The rear frame # began with 648 followed by a 3 digit #. Such as, 648 106. I used to own the bike Floyd Emde rode at Daytona in '48. I restored it in '78-79 and later sold it to a mid-west collector-dealer. The rear frame on these machines was standard 741 with the addition of a ferrule on either side for the seat spring bolt. To the best of my recollection they started at FDH 101 and went to FDH 150. The rear frames were stamped 648 101 to 648 150.

14. The Sport Scout based three wheel dispatch tows (DT), (previously known as the service car in 1931 in the form of a 101 scout. later known as traffic car in some configurations). These 1934 to 1942 where offered in many styles and had the standard sports scout engine serial nomenclature, with the following exception: the frame number is under the seat on the casting where the tubes meet.
This configuration was revived again for the police depts in 1950-1952 in the Indian Patrol which consisted of either 45ci Scout, 80" Chief or 30.5 ci Warrior models.

I had a 1951 (FEA106), a friend has FEA103 & FEA104. A FEA105 is overseas and is a two wheeler, I have pics. You cant say it was never made because if you wanted special orders they would make it. 103 & were NYCFD (fire dept) bikes. I sold mine 20 years ago, my friend still has his.

15. I have a listing of factory serial number listings from 1910 to 1931. while the form doesn't have the factory's name on it persay, the weight and age of the paper, the typeface and layout, plus the mention of Form M801 (Form M779 is a riders manual, M809 is a parts list and so on) leads me to believe it is authentic. Greg

16. "Starting with Motor no. EA580, machines were equipped with all steel clutch, wide transmission gears, single keyway trans shaft
and engine sprocket. Prefix letters AB are used to designate this change".

17. The Model B Little Twin (with 42ci Hedstrom motor), continued to be sold in the UK, Australia, NZ? etc for a number of years after the 1915 cut-off that occurred in the USA. The 1916 UK sales catalogue states: This model has proved so wonderfully popular during the past year, that we are continuing it on the market.=E2=80=9D The same model is still listed in the 1918 UK sales catalogue.
..."Earlier this year I purchased a 1917 Indian Model B 'Little Twin' (this is the one with the 680cc (42ci) Hedstrom motor). I have found documentation that these bikes continued to be sold in Australia, New Zealand and the UK right up until 1918. I currently know of 3 such machines a 1916, 17 and 1918 TT Racer-50K130. A number of engines also exist.".

18. I've never found an exact count of how many 1941 Sport Scouts Indian produced. We have a nice unrestored, low-mileage original bought in 1959, very high 1400 serial number. We also have a factory stamped motor in the low 1500's. The military 45 cu in Scouts, even though most were built in 1941, all carried 1940 numbers. FDO, not FDA. The 741's were 1941 Scouts, but due to military contracts, like the 640, 741's were built in 1941, 1942 and 1943, but they all carried GDA numbers. -Robin